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Post by Juan on Feb 19, 2015 6:56:28 GMT -6
Like I said, I GIVE UP.. I don't know where it's coming from. There really isn't as much as there appears to be in the picture, but being used to a 4 stroke and not having any oil at all leak from the exhaust, I think it's too much. When it warms up a bit, I'll run it in the river and then check the lower unit again. I'm hoping that Crab's is right and there's nothing wrong but that's not the way my luck usually runs. I'll update this thread if and when I ever figure out what's causing it. btw: The green is an ugly color but I'm not about to repaint an almost 40 year old boat unless I paint the sides OD green, put a big white star on each side and mount a machine gun in one of the seat mounts.
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Post by 985crabs on Feb 19, 2015 9:24:46 GMT -6
This whole discussion triggered a flashback. Juan, not only did the Evinrude I mentioned earlier leak burned oil from the prop, it actually came out from underneath the lower cowling and dripped down the midsection. It looked like the motor was bleeding and there was equally as much as you collected in your Tupperware. I like the machine gun idea.
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Post by Juan on Feb 21, 2015 15:18:00 GMT -6
UPDATE: I think you had it right Crabs: beerchug Juan, you said this motor was build with a VRO system that was disconnected by the skeptical, non-believer previous owner. The VRO is designed to deliver a much higher concentration of oil at certain RPM levels (low, I do believe) and much less oil at mid-range and higher levels. V=Variable. The mixture can vary from 50:1 to over 100:1 which saves a lot of $$ on $30/gal. 2-stroke oil. Without VRO you're giving it a constant feed of 50:1. Have you run it in the water or is this all just on ears in the yard? If it's all been in the yard then that accumulated oil that would normally be flushed into the pristine environment and piss the owl-huggers off is simply dripping into your Tupperware container. If it doesn't have that lower unit oil funk to it, which is a funk in and unto itself, and it smells and feels like burned (or partially burned) oil, I'd let it ride. There may be a small breach in the exhaust system, but I think you're okay. Warmed up enough to take it over to the river this morning and give it the first try out. I ran it about 20 - 25 miles at different speeds... and let me say that thing surprised me and runs like a 500 lb gorilla is chasing it.. The 115 really pushes that little boat. The speedometer only goes to 50 mph and it was pegged in a hurry. I didn't have a GPS but I'm guessing it runs close to 70 mph. My Sea Pro will run a tad over 40 and this thing seemed to run twice as fast... honestly it's too fast for me so I ran at about 3800 rpms for most of the day. Anyway, after the test, there is no sign of any oil anywhere on the lower unit or prop like there is when running on muffs. Whoopeee!!
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Post by gnrphil on Feb 21, 2015 17:54:44 GMT -6
Awesome that's good news, and I was kinda right so of :-)good call crabs.
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Post by 985crabs on Feb 21, 2015 20:36:55 GMT -6
Great news Juan. Holy Moses, 70 mph? That's faster than I want to on water.
Glad to assist. That's why we do this, right? To helps our compadres.
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Post by Juan on Feb 22, 2015 11:42:37 GMT -6
You probably need to name that boat the "Flying Pea". rofl I like that but I think I'll spell it "Pee"
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Post by Simple Man on Feb 22, 2015 19:38:29 GMT -6
Welcome to the world of owning a Mercury. Nothing runs like a .....Mercury.
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Post by 985crabs on Feb 22, 2015 20:23:08 GMT -6
If you want to get there fast, get a Mercury. If you want to get home, get a Yamaha.
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Post by Simple Man on Feb 22, 2015 20:58:08 GMT -6
Ive heard that a lot Crabs and while the Mercury claim to speed can be easily documented the Yamaha claim to dependability is less defined. I've owned 5 high horsepower (150 and up) motors in my life and while I've never owned a "pure blooded" Yamaha, I' have owned one Mercaha (Yamaha built Mercury) and the other 4 true Mercury. Knock on wood, none of them have ever failed to get me there and back. Even my 140 4 cylinder Tohatshu never failed me except the time I ran it out of gas...
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Post by Juan on Feb 23, 2015 8:40:32 GMT -6
I think I've owned 6 Yamaha and Merc outboards 90 to 250 hp. (and too many smaller than that to count) From my experiences, there might be some validity to that saying... The only one I've had quit on me and leave me on the water was on a go fast bass boat with a 200 hp Mariner.. (didn't Mercury make those? ) Busted a cylinder and if I remember right it cost me close to $6K to repair it.. The only Yamaha problem I've ever had was a choke problem with a 250 hp 2 stroke gas guzzler. It ran perfectly but I had to use starter fluid to crank it. Always got me home
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Post by 985crabs on Feb 23, 2015 9:11:43 GMT -6
Let me preface my comments by saying that I honestly believe that both manufacturers put out tremendous products. Otherwise they wouldn't still be around because no one would risk making a hefty investment in a questionable motor.
The only Mercury I owned was constantly in the shop with mysterious alarms that would not demonstrate themselves for my mechanic. So, after spending a lot of money replacing this and that, it got a clean bill of health and it threw a rod 2 months later. I took it in the shorts. It got me back to the dock though, I'll give it that.
I almost owned another that was on my brother-in-law's boat which I intended to buy. On the day of the sale he brought it over (fresh from the mechanic and being tuned). He praised the reliability of the motor and the model's long history as he primed it and got it ready to start up for my entertainment. It sputtered to life and purred like a cat.....for 30 seconds. Then it stopped and never started again.
I did not buy the boat.
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Post by Juan on Feb 23, 2015 15:47:52 GMT -6
I'm not knocking Mecurys... I've had some that were great and never gave me a bit of trouble... and I hope this one is one of those.. it's 28 years old but has 125 compression on all 6 cylinders and a recent carb job so hopefully it will last a few years. I'll only use it for the lake and river when it's too rough to go to the gulf with the Sea Pro. I just prefer Yamaha when I have a choice... The most interesting man in the world has a Yamaha on his boat! Stay thirsty my friends.
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Post by Simple Man on Feb 23, 2015 19:27:00 GMT -6
I'm ot knocking either motor either, I just don't believe the numbers bear out Yamaha fan boys claim to dependability. For every Mercury bashing story out there, you can match it with a Yamaha bashing story. Like said, they both make fine and dependable outboards and as soon as Yamaha makes one that will not fly apart when you turn it above 6000 rpms, they might all be fast... boating2
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Post by Juan on Feb 23, 2015 19:41:03 GMT -6
as soon as Yamaha makes one that will not fly apart when you turn it above 6000 rpms, they might all be fast... boating2 If that's "not knocking" ... I'd hate to what "knocking" is! 021
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Post by Simple Man on Feb 23, 2015 20:14:14 GMT -6
as soon as Yamaha makes one that will not fly apart when you turn it above 6000 rpms, they might all be fast... boating2 If that's "not knocking" ... I'd hate to what "knocking" is! 021 I was just countering Crabs bad Mercury stories, it's true too so just go drink your Dos Equis....
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Post by Juan on Feb 24, 2015 15:16:52 GMT -6
I'd like to take sides in this argument but since I now have one of each in the boat shed....I won't. giggled
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Post by Simple Man on Feb 24, 2015 17:27:16 GMT -6
If you can't beat us, join us!
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Post by Juan on Feb 24, 2015 20:09:23 GMT -6
I guess industrial espionage in outboard industry must be rampant. Don't know about Yamaha but not so much for Mercury... they have a testing facility in a bayou in Panama City.. Their test boats are a fug ugly yellow... (even uglier than my pea green boat) and they are constantly testing the motors in the bay. I used to think that driving one of those test boats would be a dream job until I talked to one of the drivers and he told me how much they got paid and the number of people who had back problems from running in rough water
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Post by 985crabs on Feb 24, 2015 20:39:58 GMT -6
Interesting stuff. The Japanese are famous for reverse-engineering anything they can an making it better.
We need to drop this subject. It's going nowhere. Simple Man shoulda never waived that Mercury flag.
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Post by gnrphil on Feb 24, 2015 22:19:36 GMT -6
We could talk about the "world series" in which nobody but American teams play in ?? What's up with that? ;-)
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