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Post by acdaddy0 on Aug 24, 2014 16:23:31 GMT -6
I would recommend plugging both of those drains from the outside next time you go out and see if it happens again or not. That port side drain port is in an awful place I hate to say. Every time the boat noses down in big waves or chop that drain gets a dose of severe water pressure. Plug em next time and see. If it stops, if it does then it's a leak in drain hose under deck. If not could be the seal on the port to hull. Where you at? What lake if you don't mind me asking?
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Post by acdaddy0 on Aug 24, 2014 16:47:06 GMT -6
I'm feeling you Freezer. The bow keel is lower than the stern bottom allowing water to drain forward at rest. Could be the pickup on the bottom of boat leaking? NC, leave that water in there for six hours and that will prove them drains good. The ball valve you closed was under the deck at hull penetration ? Starting to think it might be that under hull livewell pickup seal. Can you see that from in the boat on the water? That pickup can be unscrewed and lowered just enough to clean and reseal with out unhooking plumbing.
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Post by ncoutdoorsman90 on Aug 24, 2014 17:52:08 GMT -6
Yea I can see the water pickup in the bilge compartment, and I will try plugging the drains next time I get the chance to take the boat out on the lake. I live in greensboro nc area and take it to a lake called belews lake. Most of the time the boat will be in saltwater unless im stripper fishing in badin lake or smith mountain lake. Im just kinda stumped as to where the waters coming in, it by no means will sink the boat but just buying the boat and seeing the water now just doesn't sit well with me. I've checked the water pickup last time I went onto the lake but couldn't see any water coming in around it.
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Post by freezerfiller on Aug 24, 2014 19:09:49 GMT -6
Yeah, not a crisis. plug em all and since you've already determined it's not the live well or washdown, you can unplug one at a time until you find it.
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Post by RunninLate on Aug 24, 2014 19:13:13 GMT -6
Try filling the bilge with water (have to turn of the auto bilge pump)while on the trailer with the plug in the hull. See it there is any leaks around the pick-up. If not, with the water still in the hull wiggle the water pickup from the inside and see if any water come out of the pick-up. I would think if it is leaking from the pick-up it would be before the ball and cock pick-up.
On my 206 I ALL ways get water into the front fish/storage compartment. I have to put a plug in it to keep the items stored in there dry.
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Post by ncoutdoorsman90 on Aug 24, 2014 19:46:38 GMT -6
I also put a plug into the front fish box, just came with boat and always have done it. I've tried filling the bilge up to see if there was any water leaking around the pickup but not came out of it or the plug and I let it sit in there for awhile. Im kinda stumped, I was gonna put the boat in tomorrow and have my brother drive while I run around looking at all the fittings from the front to the back livewell drains and scuppers to see if there leaking around the fittings? I didn't fill the scuppers up with water so maybe one of the hoses may have a leak.
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Post by yolo on Aug 24, 2014 21:37:40 GMT -6
Here is another idea.
I think your looking at all the right places, but just to hard and overlooking a simple thing (not using the word problem because its not a problem) You mentioned the boat being inverted earlier.
Have you: 1) Backed the boat onto the ramp with plug out (not putting it in the water obviously)? 2) Opened the bilge access before you put to boat in and then right after you back it down the ramp and put it in to see if there is any water in there? 3) have the boat pitched at a good enough angle when sitting on the trailer (im talking trailer jack cranked to the max if not more).
My guess is that water is collecting in the boat while its on the trailer and, while you do have the drain plug out, it collects everywhere at keel, but does not just automatically run to the bilge; it needs pitched or to be forced, or both.
Basically what i am saying is the amount of water you are seeing is normal to my experience. Next time you get to the ramp, open the bilge access and see how much water moved back there from the motion on the trailer but did not make it out of the drain. Then, leave the drain plug out and back it onto the ramp, I will just short of guarantee you that you see water come out that was not in the bilge, it needs the pitch of the ramp (to be invertded as you were asking) to drain the water sitting at keel (collects from bow to stern in all different places) to the bilge. Then put the plug back in and see what you have when you get back.
A good way to see how much water you really have, or if there is any, is to run the motor up a few hundred RPMs and get the bow really high. The pitch and force of motion will bring just about all the water to the back (this is a good time to turn the bile on manually, the pump can still get this water out just not enough to start the float.
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Post by ncoutdoorsman90 on Aug 24, 2014 21:58:07 GMT -6
Yolo, normally when I put the boat in the water I back it right down to the end of the ramp before I put the plug in. When I get back and I dont see any water running out I put the plug in. I haven't had the boat that long so every time I've taken it out its been to the same ramp that has a pretty steep incline.
Next time I take the boat out im going to bring a bucket with me to get a more accurate measurement on the amount of water that comes out. Also I haven't looked in the bilge compartment while the boat was plowing but am definitely going to try that the next chance I get with someone that can drive the boat.
Yet again thank you everyone for all the help its awesome to have a place like this with all this knowledge
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Post by ncoutdoorsman90 on Aug 24, 2014 22:02:47 GMT -6
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Post by yolo on Aug 25, 2014 10:19:56 GMT -6
Got ya, ok just wanted to make sure your getting all of the water out. I doubt it’s the seacock and pickup, that would be very noticeable, and I found a lot of the drains use the bilge pump hose which can break and crack over time. Also, on the CC’s, if you have a cooler under the front seat of the console ( built into the fiberglass) I found them to drain right into the hull. So if you are filling the cooler with ice and drinks, this is another possibility.
What I would do next, if you haven’t already, is give the boat a nice pitch on the trailer, like it sounds like you have done before.
Then get outside the boat with a hose and fill the drains from the outside one by one with a hose. I did this once with my uncle and I used one my shammy towel that I use for drying the boats and cars to help keep the seal when filling the drains.
If the plastic on the inside of the fitting is broken then it will leak into the hull, and you should be able to hear it if your standing next to the drain when you fill it and have someone help you so one can fill and the other can monitor the bilge (open the access hatch and watch if water flows there) and the compartments (is water filling into there from the drain). Thinking while I write, you can probably also plug the drain outside the hull and fill the compartments; in theory it should do the same thing if there is a leak.
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Post by ncoutdoorsman90 on Aug 25, 2014 10:39:36 GMT -6
Yea I've filled the anchor box and plugged its drain, no water in bilge compartment, filled the fish box and plugged the drain again no water in bilge. Haven't used the cooler but tested it and it does drain in to the bilge compartment. I've tested both of the livewell drains and neither of them had a leak. Going to try to take the boat out this week and see if its leaking around one of the thru hull fittings....
Next step I guess would be to check the fittings if there good then I guess look for a crack in the hull, which I've checked under it but I guess there could be one where it sits on the bunks.
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Post by yolo on Aug 25, 2014 11:41:38 GMT -6
Ok, just to make sure we are on the same page. You filled it and plugged it from the drain on the hull (outside)? Yeah, i would say next step is see if you have somehting going on with the steel fitting, i am certailly stumped. The only other thing i can think of is if you open the bilge access and look in on both sides you will see dividers, i will call it, in the bilge that separates the the bilge area from the rest of the hull. On the two sides there are drains at the bottom and sometimes these drain holes are either clogged up or never actaully opened and filled with fiberlglass. If you have this going one like many have had, the the motion of the boat turning ect may force the collected water, that is not draining becuase the holes are clogged, into the bilge area that you can see. So that and the actual fittings being bad are my last two thoughts, from there i quit !
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Post by ncoutdoorsman90 on Aug 25, 2014 11:49:33 GMT -6
I read the topic on the drains in the stringers being glassed over and if you look my drains aren't there. Im not really sure if the are glassed over or what but if I put my hand behind the stronger I dont really feel any water but there may be some that I couldn't get to.
And yes thats how I tested the drains in the anchor box and the forward fish box and also both transom livewells. I haven't done anything with the scuppers but Im going to check them this evening as well.
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Post by yolo on Aug 25, 2014 13:55:59 GMT -6
Ok so your well versed!
I had to drill mine out to get the water through, good amount of water came out but nothing to do anything serious.
The scuppers you should actually be able to get under and look directly at, you will have to do a bit of bending and positioning but if you tuck your head into the bilge hatch and look to the transome then you should be able to see them. Mine are under water so i take a good look at them each season before i put the boat in the water.
Good luck! Im out of suggestions lol.
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Post by ncoutdoorsman90 on Aug 25, 2014 14:01:30 GMT -6
How exactly did you drill them out? Just go to the corner and drill through the stringer on both port and starboard side? What bit did u use if u dont mind me asking.
To view the scuppers it is easier for me (being6'4" 250lbs) to look right through the under gunnel rod holders. Im going to try to get the boat out this week to test that out and also check all other places, if I can't find anything I think im going to go swimming and inspect the bottom where the bunks are.
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Post by yolo on Aug 25, 2014 14:20:57 GMT -6
lol i am about the same size and just got done with the meat of a rewiring project and ill have to post some of the pictures my girlfriend took of me under the deck through the bilge access, at one point i was under there on one side of the striger, head first and almost up to my knees.
Take a look back down in the bilge, about the middle of the striger (from transome to the mold) at the bottom feel around a bit to see if there is any inconsistencies in the stringer. It is sometimes hard to see with the naked eye but you should feel somethign like a hole down there. They fill in from the manufactuer sometimes, unintentially, becuase the holes are so small.
Once you find it just drill in tright through with a long bit to hopen it up.
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Post by acdaddy0 on Aug 25, 2014 17:35:51 GMT -6
Cool deal Odm! These guys are all over it! You'll find it. About drilling to find glassed over drains, I have read and find it a good idea to use a straightened piece of clothes hanger wire, sharpened to a chisel at end , maybe a foot long to drill through glass layer just to find the hole. The sharpened wire will go through the glass and foam but you won't be able to accidentally drill through hull. Then once you find it carefully use a bit to open it up. Btw, I should have known u were in North Carolina hence the NC.
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Post by ncoutdoorsman90 on Aug 25, 2014 18:01:39 GMT -6
Will definitely look into the drains in the stringers more. Just got off the lake with the boat. All the drains and fittings looked good with no drips or leaks. However, the two scuppers on the back of the boat right in front of the motor in the splash well (I think thats what its called) one of them are leaking water into the bilge compartment, not alot but a steady stream that is hard to see when its kinda clean but if u run dirt on it you can see it running down the transom. Now whethere its the scupper piece or the brass that goes thru the transom im not sure.
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Post by ncoutdoorsman90 on Aug 25, 2014 19:55:56 GMT -6
Ok got the boat home and pulled the scuppers off the back off the boat. There is a brass sleeve that runs through the transom into the splash well and around the brass sleeve there is a couple of chips that looks like it will allow water in, going to get some 5200 and seal it all up and go from there!
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Post by Simple Man on Aug 26, 2014 5:09:28 GMT -6
Water can get from the splash well scuppers into the the bilge? I would have never though that possible. Hopefully you found your problem.
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